I'd have known if it had been a Rocoto. We used to have them at high altitude, in Central Mexico. They have black seeds. Still, I'm encouraged. Rayado is what it is. Growing it all these years with nary a cross speaks well of my methods!
Well, George, you mentioned that you kept the Rayado away from the other peppers. That is the key. Now, there are no promises when it comes to this kind of thing. Crosses can happen. I will say this. If you go around planting jalepeno's near your prized Rayado's you are going to get a cross. I am not planning to plant any jalepeno's this year. Now its up to the Rayado's to grow for me so I am not tempted to plant any more jalepeno's in the future. I had bought quite a bit of that fine screen mesh material to make barrier bags out of. I haven't used it yet. I have the super-hot peppers by themselves now. The wind has been so horrid that I didn't bother to try it. The wind would have blown the bags off the plants and it would have been a mess. I have noticed that there are very few pollinators now in this over-whelming heat. I think that the seeds I save now from the super-hots should be fine now. When the rainy season is here I see lots and lots of pollenator insects all over the plants and the chances of seeing crosses will increase. When it comes to super-hot peppers, having a jalepeno cross with your prized ahi's is a complete disaster. The outcome is some kind of mutant chili that is mildly spicey and a complete waste of time to grow.
My impression is that most of the super hots are capsicum chinese of capsicum baccatum. Tabasco is c. frutescens and rocoto is capsicum pubescens, if I recall. Here's a link on crossing between species The Chileman's Guide to The Chileman's Guide to Capsicum Crossing . You can see the species there. My personal experience, though, is that capsicum chinese generally doesn't cross with capsicum annuum. I've grown them side by side with no crossing, at that, several times. On the other hand, I can attest to the ready crossing between varieties of the same species. My brother grew more than a dozen c. chinese varieties, in a long row, in 2012. He purchased plants from Chileplants.com . When I visited him, it was at the end of the season, and only a remnant of pods remained on the plants. We had fun going down the row, while I tasted a number of them. I saved seed from several. The next year I grew several and noticed quite a bit of crossed plants. The good thing was that every cross was simply great. There were no bummers. Still, I selected back to type and reduced how many varieties I grow of a given species. Pretty much, I've been growing one of each of three species, except some years I grow Frank's Thai Hot, which I'm pretty sure is c. annuum. I always put a lot of distance between it and Chile Rayado. So far I've had no crosses.
I wonder about Chileman's crossing list. Perhaps it's about if the species cross, not about how much they cross. This would be a good question for folks at The Hot Pepper.
George, those are some good points you made. I have been growing Chombo here in Panama for many years. Nothing seems to cross with them. Or, if anything did I have not noticed it. Over the years I have been growing a lot of Jalepeno and have noticed that they do cross with other Annuums. Thats why I always bash the poor Jalepeno for its promiscuous reputation. This is the first year I have tried growing other Chinense peppers besides Chombo. So, I am going to learn quite a bit from the multiple pepper grows I have going on now. I have multiple variety's of super-hots growing in the same area of my yard, on one side of the house. The other side of the house is where I have a long row of different annuum's and Frutescens and even some Paper Lantern's which are Chinense. There is a lot of peppers growing on all sides of the house in fact. Its going to take time to see who is messing around with who so to speak. Now, if my super-hots are just messing around with each other and some crossing occurs than its not catastrophic as the result will still be super-hot peppers. I can see that the super-hots are not stable anyways. You get different pod shapes with them on different plants. I will find out in the future if a bad cross happens though. As long as the crosses are withing the species I should be ok. Super-hots are a different species in a sub-category of their own though. So, if a chinense like Chombo or Paper lantern crosses with the super-hots that would not be good. I have a super-hot that is mixed with Paper Lantern for example, and its not doing well at all. Its a bad cross.
George, I planted some of that Chili Rayado seed. They are slowly germinating. Its been at least 10 days. It looks like at least one seedling in each pot has germinated. Our weather is still in the 90's every day now with high humidity. Seedlings are not growing much. I have some super-hot seedlings growing also very close by. They are just sitting there also. Not very many peppers like temps as high as we have in my back yard.
Good! Interesting how location and climate affects plants. Here, this pepper is really a fast germinating variety; practically jumps up out of the seed starter. Hopefully it will produce well for you. I'm very pleased with thehotpepper.com . They are a very fine group and many of them very knowledgeable.
George, Annuum's are hit or miss. They don't like my heat and humidity. I have an old heirloom variety of Cayenne pepper that I thought surely would do well. Its called Long Thin Cayenne. I just finished my second trial with them. They didn't make it. They just do not thrive. I have failed with normal jalepeno's as well. I keep trying. Frutescens do very well. You should see my Thai hots and Tobasco's!! They just thrive. I take them for granted because they just do so well, live so long, always producing. The only problem with them is getting the seed to germinate. I have been picking red pods and then extracting the seed and planting it immediately to get them to germinate. Saving seed doesn't seem to work. Once they germinate though the plants live for a very long time. And, they can be grown in very small pots. Oh, if I can get the Rayado's to produce I will be thrilled. Glad you enjoy theHotPepper forum. You can do some trading there and get some rare seed if you want too.
George, did you see those two Chili Rayado video's posted on theHotPepper forum at the Rayado thread you started? Nice video's!! You are right, that group over there is pretty friendly. I sure hope my chili Rayado seedlings survive. I am dying to try them.
The video's are short. Taken in Mexico of producers of Chili Rayado peppers. They show them smoking the peppers and drying them. Very nice.
Plants in the field don't look very lush though. Plenty of peppers. They grow them on hillsides.
Oh, I forgot to mention. I was just outside. I checked the Rayado seedlings. The center leaf is yellowish. Is this the normal or correct color? I noticed in the foto's that this plant is sort of yellowish green in color so my first reaction was that the yellowish center leaf in the seedlings is the normal color. Rayado has a very different color shade. The fruits are an almost blood red. Very unique color.
For me, Rayado has deep green leaves, unless it's lacking nitrogen or getting too much water. The video from Radio & Televisión de Hidalgo was taken in exactly the same place from which my seed originated and where I used to visit. I'll have to work on finding those links on youtube, and not just on Facebook. Here's another video.
That was a much better video than the others I viewed. Thanx. I see that they like to dry the peppers. I also see that it appears that they grow the peppers up in the mountain's on the side of hills. You can see the mountains in the back ground. We have area's that look like that where I live. Not far from me. However, I live at sea level. Its much hotter where I live of course. If my Rayado's survive and make some chili's my first plan is to slice them into rings and pickle them in vinegar. Thats the way Bercy likes jalepeno's.