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Post by woodeye on Oct 30, 2022 8:40:28 GMT -6
This is the preliminary list of crops that I want to have next year, I'm not sure how much of it I can fit inside the Iron Curtain.
BEANS Wood's Mountain Crazy--------------------------------IN STOCK Cherokee Striped Cornfield----------------------------IN STOCK
CORN Cherokee Squaw--------------------------------------IN STOCK
COWPEAS Razorback----------------------------------------------IN STOCK
CUCUMBERS Sooyow Nishiki-----------------------------------------IN STOCK
GOURD Luffa----------------------------------------------------IN STOCK
OKRA Heavy Hitter--------------------------------------------IN STOCK
ONION PLANTS Candy --------------------------------------------------ORDERED, DELIVERY LATE FEBRUARY
PEPPERS Shishito-------------------------------------------------IN STOCK Aji Panca NuMex Heritage 6-4------------------------------------IN STOCK Guizeppi Hatch Green Mild-----------------------------IN STOCK NuMex Vince Hernandez Paprika-----------------------IN STOCK Beaver Dam---------------------------------------------IN STOCK Jalapeno TAM-------------------------------------------IN STOCK Joe E. Parker--------------------------------------------IN STOCK Pasilla Bajio---------------------------------------------IN STOCK
RADISHES White Icicle---------------------------------------------IN STOCK
SQUASH Caserta--------------------------------------------------IN STOCK Early Bulam---------------------------------------------IN STOCK Tatume--------------------------------------------------IN STOCK Seminole------------------------------------------------IN STOCK
SWEET POTATOES From GEORGE-----Varieties are His Pick
TOMATOES Black Krim----------------------------------------------IN STOCK Yellow Pear ---------------------------------------------IN STOCK Baker Family Heirloom---------------------------------IN STOCK Big Beef Plus-------------------------------------------IN STOCK Better Boy----------------------------------------------IN STOCK BHN 1045----------------------------------------------IN STOCK Sun Sugar----------------------------------------------ORDERED
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Post by chrysanthemum on Nov 3, 2022 21:03:07 GMT -6
I missed this post the other day. That is quite a list, woodeye. I’m glad you’re getting the Iron Curtain set up to keep the deer away from all those goodies. I think you’ve got the makings of a fine garden there.
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Post by Tucson Grower on Jan 4, 2023 23:32:55 GMT -6
I have an enormous variety of seed, many of which I've had for decades, but never enough time to plant them all. Starting this season that's changing. It's already time to start the seed of those I start prior to planting out. My daughter, Aimee (43) is finally showing a glimmer of gardening interest. She asked for strawberry plants for Christmas. So I ordered some of the Albion variety and have planted them in 3 inch pots, to get them started. Her balcony flower box will only hold 3, so I want to be sure they get a good start before she gets them.
I've already sown; asparagus, 3 varieties from seed. Bok Choy with purple leaves, Green/Orange/Purple cauliflower, rutabega, turnips, beets, purple and white kohlrabi and several varieties of garden peas as well as inedible "sweet peas". There should be just enough cool weather remaining for these crops which prefer it, to produce before the heat gets here. Last year the heat destroyed any chance of a crop from my dozen or so corn varieties that I grew - I need to ask around to find the best time for planting corn in my area. I'd really love to have it produce for me.
And yes, This is only just a small start for me. I've already ordered many new seed from a half-dozen seed vendors, some of which I am already planting. I hope to update this once I've repaired my desktop PC (parts come in on Friday). Meanwhile I'm creating this post on a laptop. I'd rather use the desktop.
Aside: I noticed that what I've always ever known as "Beet", is now called 'Beetroot'? Where did that come from and when did that happen?
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Post by Tucson Grower on Jan 5, 2023 0:36:57 GMT -6
Three or four decades ago I picked up a packet of Cistus seed, one of the times I was living in southern California. These plants are extremely drought tolerant and mostly originate in or around the Mediterranean. So, apparently the seed has lost all viability - and, today, the only place I could locate any fresh seed was in Amsterdam through eBay.
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Post by woodeye on Jan 5, 2023 4:55:25 GMT -6
Very impressive, Tucson Grower. Your enthusiasm will no doubt be contagious with the new year here, I imagine folks are ready to get after it.
Beats me why they tend to call it beetroot now, maybe it's a marketing ploy. There may be a scientific botany-istic reason, I haven't researched it, but my first guess would be that somebody started calling it that so that they could raise the price of the seed...
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Post by macmex on Jan 5, 2023 6:41:35 GMT -6
I could be wrong, but I suspect that "beetroot" is what they call them in Great Britain and maybe Canada. To the American ear it sounds more classy. Logically, it's a good name because Swiss chard is a beet that isn't grown for its root. Still, I think I'll stick with "beets."
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Post by chrysanthemum on Jan 5, 2023 8:16:48 GMT -6
“Beetroot” is definitely a British term (and by extension Canadian, Australian, and also for non-native English speakers who learn British English). I haven’t noticed it catching on in America, but perhaps it is. I use the term “beets” myself, but I have actually been know to use “beetroot” on occasion when I want to emphasize a preparation that doesn’t use the greens. When our family eats “beets,” we mean by that eating both the roots and the greens cooked together, but I’ve noticed that a lot of people don’t eat the greens. (It kind of pains me to see gardening pictures when people show off their beet harvests, and they’ve disposed of the greens, even if it’s in some good way like chickens or compost.). Greens seem to be getting more popular in the grocery-store these days, and I’ve seen beet greens for sale in salad mixes and things. Maybe because of “beet greens” becoming an item to sell, “beetroot” is used to distinguish it. I can see seed companies doing something similar to emphasize which cultivars grow better for which purpose.
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Post by FrostyTurnip on Jan 5, 2023 9:55:38 GMT -6
Interesting question for this year. I’m like, I can answer it but I refuse to dream. I’ll be happy to just get some stuff to grow and produce. We’re still in a drought. I’ve been double digging like a mad woman and backfilling with dead trees and tree trash and amending soil as much as possible. I filled some trays but they’re just sitting there empty. I’ve winter sown onions and some other things, but I’m flabbergasted.
I will start things, a whole bunch of things but will they have a chance to even grow?
Will it give us a serious rain? Will it flood? Will it be cloudy and cool from late march to late May and a sudden flash drought with excessive heat in early June?
The only thing in which I can rest confidence is babying seedlings in mid summer to ride out through next winter. That I have plans for.
And sweet potatoes. I can count on those.
I sincerely hope I am being melodramatic, because all these things suggest an entirely different climate. Probabilities indicate that my experience is short lived.
Don’t forget to shove things into the freezer or the frig for cold strat, like my poppy seeds. That’s the only way I can get poppies to take hold.
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Post by amyinowasso on Jan 5, 2023 10:45:11 GMT -6
For the last several years I have cut back on the tomatoes I grow. Realistically I have room for 14 plants. I went crazy buying tomato seeds this year. I think it's because I looked through all of Victory's tomato options. I used to get my old standbys from the Sample Seed shop. I sure do miss her. Here is the list I will have to pare down. SlicersCherokee Carbon F1 Early Girl F1(ind) Grandma Suzy's Beefsteak (need to save seeds)- Indian Stripe Jetsetter F1 Ramapo F1 (New Jersey tomato for my husband Ron) Sioux Super Sioux Vorlon (need to save seeds) Louisiana Gulf State (new) Paul Robeson (new) Black Brown Boar (I don't have this, but I grew it before during a very hot summer, so I hope it would do well again.) Tomatoes, CherryBlack Cherry Large Red Cherry Tomatoes, DwarfFred's tie dye Lemon Ice Dwarf (new) Tomatoes, SauceHeidi Jersey Devil (new) (also, Jersey tomato) Tomatoes, determinate
Bison (new) Celebrity Plus F1 (new) I'm going to separate Grandma Suzy so hopefully I have true seeds. I love the taste of that tomato. Presumably the dwarfs can be grown in containers and if the determinates don't take too long the could be removed for late season crops. I end up with 15. If I put Black Cherry on the end to climb the post for the trellis I can make it work. If the husband can handle it. Now I have to figure out the peppers and greens.
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Post by amyinowasso on Jan 5, 2023 11:18:29 GMT -6
These are all sweet peppers. We will buy a jalapeno and maybe a cayanne. I don't do hot, and my hot pepper seeds have not done well for me.
Aconcagua (new)? Ashe County Pimento* Corno Di Toro (new)? Elephant Ear? Figitelli Sicilia Pippins Golden Honey (new)** Red Cheese (old seeds, maybe see if I get them to sprout and save some)* Red Tennessee Cheese? Ros de Mallorca (a friend gave me one of these to grow and we loved it, but saved seeds were lost.)** Saraga Giant Sweet Chocolate (new)** Sweet Apple (new)** Sweet Pimento (new)?
Super Shepherd (new)* I will grow 2 pimento/cheese types, the starred varieties and especially the pricy double starred ones that I have few seeds for. Will they get diseased if I grow them the same place as last year?
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Post by macmex on Jan 5, 2023 14:30:47 GMT -6
Well, I've come the conclusion that I have to cut back on the area I garden. Health issues have brought me to this place. Better to be happy rather than frustrated. I will be growing a good many sweet potatoes, though I won't be putting out a flier this year, as I have, for sales. My wife and I agreed that I would sell slips, but just by word of mouth. I have a couple of experimental seedling sweet potatoes to grow out beside the varieties I had last spring, to start with. I did lose Hopi, a very fine bronze colored variety. I will refrain from replacing it.
I have a couple new-to-me varieties which I first grew in 2022. One is called Korean Pink. My source swears that it's fabulous. I am 99% sure that I have saved roots and will grow it this year. (Cognitive issues made the 2022 harvest "interesting.) Another which did very well is called Old Yellow. I'm pretty sure this is going to be favorite for me. The roots are noticeably yellow. Its flesh is dense, mealy and sweet. This variety sizes up very quickly, which to me spells "dependability."
Red Wine Velvet will be with me even if I could only maintain one variety. It's dependable, doing better than most varieties in 2022, which was a terrible year for me. It's also my beloved's favorite. So... there's that!
I will plan on growing Heidi and Baker Family Heirloom tomatoes, as well, most likely, as Black cherry. Nothing new, just what matters most to us.
In 2023 I'll have TWO bean breeding programs going. The cross between Cherokee Trail of Tears and Tennessee Cutshort is almost stable. Perhaps I can release it and name it for 2024. Then there's the F2 generation of Tennessee Cutshort and Barksdale. I'm just starting that one.
I'll have to grow Barksdale in the fall and Tennessee Cutshort, as well as Woods Mountain Crazy Bean. Wow! That's a lot, and that's not growing more than what I consider "must grow" varieties.
A good part of the garden will go to Mesquakie Indian Corn and Kentucky Red Cowpeas. I love my "jungle" with three sisters, and when it gets so hot I can hardly keep up, this part of the garden always encourages me.
Hopefully I will grow out Moon & Stars Watermelon. It's flopped two years in a row.
I insist on growing Old Timey Cornfield pumpkin but this year I am going to grow something new (to me): Rdback's selection of Waltham Butternut. Jerreth has taken a liking to butternut squash. This is probably because of the completely fiberless texture of butternut. At any rate, that's what' she's taken a liking to, so I'm going to grow it. Warsaw Buff Pie Pumpkin would have fit the bill, but I lost the seed about a decade ago.
We had great success with growing beets and Sweet chard in straw bale containers. I'm sure we'll also do that.
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Post by chrysanthemum on Jan 20, 2023 21:15:53 GMT -6
I just spent time this evening with the printouts of my garden templates starting to make the positions of various plants for later this winter and spring. Because of our ongoing exceptional drought at this time, I did not plant any onions, and I’m not planning on doing potatoes. My harvests of those were too disappointing last year even with diligent watering. If the drought keeps on keeping on into later spring, I can always cull plants if I have too many to water.
I do think I’m going to try to get some sugar snap peas going since I lost my snow peas to the pre-Christmas freeze, and I’d like to start some brassicas: cauliflower, broccoli, and kale at least. And beets.
The summer garden will focus on tomatoes, cucumbers, peppers, and beans, I think. I believe I’m going to try my saved seed for Woods Mountain Crazy Beans and the Red Noodle Yardlong beans. Hopefully we’ll end up with a better summer than last year for them.
If I can tomorrow after I water my lettuce, leeks, and cover crops, I plan to put some cottonseed meal, compost, and shredded leaves in my garden beds. We are supposed to have some possible moisture overnight or in the morning hours. It won’t be substantial rain, but perhaps it can help tame the cedar pollen a bit.
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Post by macmex on Jan 21, 2023 7:24:13 GMT -6
I just remembered another thing I hope to grow this year.I obtained seed of Ají Charapita from a friend named Stephen Lesko, over on MEWE. This is a hot pepper, very popular with some chefs and considered rather expensive. I will have to find a place to grow it where it won´t cross with Murupi Amarela (Ají Yellow #2), which is my favorite. The link I found on this one tells me that one can sell about 20,000 of the Ají Charapita , dried, for up to $450, online. I doubt I'll try for that but a certain someone, around here did come to mind. (Had brief mental image flash through my mind of Ron and Hank sitting around the outdoor kitchen and sorting through piles of these ). My son-in-law is a hot pepper fiend, and this family of hot peppers is his favorite, so I do envision a somewhat extravagant Christmas present for him.
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Post by chrysanthemum on Jan 21, 2023 9:05:55 GMT -6
I just read the information in the link about those peppers, macmex. They look interesting. I hadn’t expected anything so small. If you can get some good plants going, I bet your son-in-law would really enjoy dried peppers for a Christmas present. The article mentioned overwintering the peppers. Do you ever do that with any of your varieties? I’m wondering if you could keep at least one in pot to grow in your greenhouse, or would it still be too cold at times when the fierce freezes come?
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Post by FrostyTurnip on Jan 21, 2023 12:26:07 GMT -6
Overwintering needs heat in Oklahoma, especially at night. But not every night. Just sometimes. And sometimes during the day, but not at night and sometimes only at night and then “snap” it needs it during the day but only for a couple hours and that’s also true for nighttime temps. Then, during the day, you cannot let them cook from the green house heating up from the sun. Absolute bonkers in Oklahoma. You almost need a self monitoring central heating and air just for the greenhouse.
And you cannot have just a simple hoop greenhouse in Oklahoma. If you build, it needs piers or a foundation or something to keep it from blowing away. It must be a solid structure, like a house or an extension of a house. Ridiculous.
Sorry, to answer your question and overstep George, but it’s a serious trigger for me. Like the deer is to woodeye.
LOL
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