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Post by triffid on Nov 23, 2022 9:12:54 GMT -6
The Frye's Golden Goose offtypes went on to produce some interesting little beans with great potential.
#1 is perhaps the most exciting. Squat fat pods that are jam packed with golden brown beans, no parchment in the pod wall and no strings either. I have high hopes for this one and can't wait to see where it leads. #2 was the latest of the bunch and produced the most seeds. The pods are tough and easy to shell. There may be potential for tender-podded offspring if this crop is heterozygous. #3 is another tender/no parchment bean with red striping on the pod, with strings. Seeds are rather small and cutshort.
#4 and #5 had tough pods. Interesting seed coat colours and I'm hoping these are also heterozygous for podwall parchment. #6 was the earliest of the bunch and produced flat, relatively long pods (the other offtypes, barring #2, had quite short and compressed pods) and flat brown seeds. No parchment but I can't remember whether or not they had strings.
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Post by triffid on Nov 23, 2022 10:03:54 GMT -6
Laughing Arlie Greasy from Virginia. Diminutive shiny pods with very small, square white cutshort beans. Rather late but it has been a poor season to assess any variety accurately. With a bit of consistent rain it started to climb vigourously and produced a good amount of seed.
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Post by hmoosek on Nov 23, 2022 11:06:19 GMT -6
Laughing Arlie Greasy from Virginia. Diminutive shiny pods with very small, square white cutshort beans. Rather late but it has been a poor season to assess any variety accurately. With a bit of consistent rain it started to climb vigourously and produced a good amount of seed.
You just gotta love the name! Your other beans looked great too! I only grew 3 beans this year, but I did have fun with cowpeas!
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Post by triffid on Nov 28, 2022 13:15:00 GMT -6
Granny Messenger recently arrived from a collector in Belgium. The original source/donor is unconfirmed, but based on the collector's references below it is suggested that they originated from 'Appalachian Heirloom Beans'. The only company trading as 'Appalachian Heirloom Beans' that I know of is Wright's Heirlooms of Hilham, TN. 'Uit' means 'from' in Dutch.
They look quite oxidised. I believe these seeds are almost as old as me; the picture on my donor's page was dated 1995! Hopefully they have been in a frozen slumber since then and germinate well next spring.
Striped Bunch, from Right Beaver Creek, Knott County, Kentucky. I sourced my seeds from the Heritage Seed Library last winter. Their donor was the late British garden writer John Yeoman, who in turn acquired the variety from Brook Elliott of the Appalachian Heirloom Seed Conservancy, KY, sometime prior to 2004.
Elliott writes:
Perkins notes briefly in Bill Best's Kentucky Heirloom Seeds:
I transplanted them rather late this year and by then it was too hot and dry for them to establish a decent root system. So they grew into little bushes instead and produced just a handful of seeds. I hope to see more of the half-runner type growth in the future.
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Post by macmex on Nov 28, 2022 14:46:22 GMT -6
You're doing a wonderful job of plant exploration as well as selection and, in the most basic sense... breeding. Thanks for all the great descriptions and images!
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Post by triffid on Nov 29, 2022 0:47:19 GMT -6
Thank you! The spontaneous mutations and natural crosses in beans keep me very busy. Too busy to pursue the intentional crosses that I would like to explore. At least my first legume love, the old English pea, is a little more chaste and patient, giving me a chance to manually cross and 'do plant breeding' in the more classical way. It's nice to be able to clean up poorly maintained older varieties without the interference of stray pollen... The pea fleas bit me long before the bean bugs and tomato ticks latched on, but they didn't leave much time between attacks. It's dangerous out there in the garden.
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Post by triffid on Nov 29, 2022 1:09:43 GMT -6
White Simpson Greasy produced two different pod types and the seeds reflect this difference very well. I only noticed this once the pods were drying out at home.
In the first photo the larger, thicker pods made the rounded, 'chunkier' seeds on the left, many of which were uneven and twisted from lateral compression in the pod. The narrow, slim pods, which grew in larger trusses, produced the small cutshort seeds on the right. They were very thin when dry, like pencils.
Looking back to earlier pics when the pods were young, one can see the difference. The narrow pods with cutshorts are in the foreground and the larger pod with twisted seeds is in the background. At the time of growing I wrongly assumed that the smaller pods were that way because of the greater number of pods on the truss.
I only grew two plants and witnessed two distinct phenotypes so it's perhaps not unreasonable to assume there may be other pod/seed types in this variety. Next year or the year after I'll grow out the rest of the starter stock. I do not recall any of the seeds in this start being small cutshorts, they all looked pretty much the same.
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Post by galina on Dec 2, 2023 0:41:09 GMT -6
Laughing Arlie Greasy from Virginia. Diminutive shiny pods with very small, square white cutshort beans. Rather late but it has been a poor season to assess any variety accurately. With a bit of consistent rain it started to climb vigourously and produced a good amount of seed.
Thank you so much for the seed triffid. Absolutely loved them. And yes, these pods are very shiny. Late-ish here too, but throughout September and October we got wave after wave of bunches of these delicious small beans. Plenty for the freezer too. No need to cut these beans, just string and leave them whole. Looking very elegant on a plate. Definitely a new favourite here. Easy to save seeds too, leaving pods on the plant to dry did not slow down production.
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Post by galina on Dec 2, 2023 0:44:04 GMT -6
Triffid, not sure what I am doing wrong, but I can't see your photos unfortunately.
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Post by triffid on Dec 3, 2023 18:25:09 GMT -6
Oh dear, are all of them missing?
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Post by galina on Dec 4, 2023 1:09:25 GMT -6
This is really weird, they are all there right now. So no issue after all, must have been something my end.
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Post by macmex on Dec 4, 2023 6:14:56 GMT -6
I think the stock solution (first resort, that is) is to refresh your browser. In most cases you can do this by pressing the F5 key at the top of your keyboard. Otherwise, you click in the address bar, at the end of the url address and then press the enter key.
That might not have done it, though. It might have been a server problem somewhere along the line.
Also, the middle of last week there was a rather large solar storm (flare) which disrupted a lot of communications. That might have caused the problem somewhere along the line.
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Post by galina on Dec 4, 2023 15:31:49 GMT -6
Thank you MacMex, there were thumbnails, they did not actually show the photos just tiny tiles. I tried clicking on them, but nothing happened. Did not think to refresh, but thanks for that suggestion. All is well again today, let us hope it stays that way.
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