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Post by glen on Jan 17, 2018 18:33:07 GMT -6
On our general board there is a thread category called "seeking or offering". This is the place to trade or seek special sedes. The área you created a thread on is for providing information on different variety's of legumes. Maybe you will have better success using the Seeking or Offering section?
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Post by hmoosek on Jan 17, 2018 22:16:08 GMT -6
Sorry about that. I removed my post. I wasn't really requesting, just wanted to know what happened with these 2 beans.
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Post by macmex on Jan 18, 2018 7:37:28 GMT -6
Sorry I didn't get back with you yesterday. It was so cold, that I spent all my time breaking ice and tending to our animals. Well, okay, not all my time. I did also prepare a meal and process some squash. I have my winter squash stored in a shed which almost never freezes; almost.... Yesterday, at 4 AM I went in there and found that it was below freezing. A number of our squash received freeze damage. So, when I got off work... I went to work, processing them, before they could spoil. I freeze the cooked squash in 3 cup portions for the freezer.
I have those old beans on the shelf. But I seriously doubt they will germinate. I tried a number of times. It was really a hard thing, some years ago, when I was trying to get someone to grow them out. I'm glad you at least tried. I hope they are still grown, somewhere in their native land.
Don't worry about placing a post in the wrong place. Either we'll be good with it, or, if you prefer, you can change where you put it.
Don't let Charlie's Pride go the way of the Great Awk. If nothing else, get me some seed and I'll get it into the Seed Savers Exchange.\
George
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Post by hmoosek on Jan 18, 2018 8:39:44 GMT -6
Sorry I didn't get back with you yesterday. It was so cold, that I spent all my time breaking ice and tending to our animals. Well, okay, not all my time. I did also prepare a meal and process some squash. I have my winter squash stored in a shed which almost never freezes; almost.... Yesterday, at 4 AM I went in there and found that it was below freezing. A number of our squash received freeze damage. So, when I got off work... I went to work, processing them, before they could spoil. I freeze the cooked squash in 3 cup portions for the freezer.
I have those old beans on the shelf. But I seriously doubt they will germinate. I tried a number of times. It was really a hard thing, some years ago, when I was trying to get someone to grow them out. I'm glad you at least tried. I hope they are still grown, somewhere in their native land.
Don't worry about placing a post in the wrong place. Either we'll be good with it, or, if you prefer, you can change where you put it.
Don't let Charlie's Pride go the way of the Great Awk. If nothing else, get me some seed and I'll get it into the Seed Savers Exchange.\
George Thanks George! I'd be happy to send you some melon seed. I have sent it out to a few people, but don't know if they grew it. I sure hate hate when we lose varieties, but I know it's inevitable sometimes. I sure hope someone up in PA is still growing Ralph's. Zeedman and Aftermidnight were talking about it on gardenweb yesterday. Aftermidnight showed a picture of some seeds that look similar to Ralph's, but I'm just going on memory alone, plus I don't see well enough to be sure.
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Post by macmex on Jan 18, 2018 9:36:45 GMT -6
Ralph's was a good one. I remember getting my start from one of my seminary profs. Seems when there is change in our lives, which disrupts things, I lose varieties. Oklahoma "helps" with this, on account of its very erratic weather! I'll have to go looking for Zeedman and see what he's got!
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Post by hmoosek on Jan 20, 2018 20:41:26 GMT -6
I know exactly what you mean about losing varieties. I lost several when I relocated and wasn't able to garden for a few years.
Life Happens
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Post by aftermidnight on Jan 21, 2018 14:57:03 GMT -6
I have some Ralph's Italian Heirloom from Victory Seed I bought in 2013. I'm trying to germinate a few to see if they're still viable. George, is this the same bean as the one just called Ralph? I did get few seeds of Ralph from rxkeith in 2012. I can't find that seed, maybe I planted back then to compare with another unnamed bean I had grown but lost. I emailed Keith but haven't heard back. If I can get this one going it looks like another one that needs to be shared around. Annette
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Post by macmex on Jan 22, 2018 5:38:27 GMT -6
I really don't know about "Ralph." Chances are, if it looks the same, it is the same. What happens is that folk abbreviate, when they label seed. They know what they mean, but whoever receives the seed assumes that the abbreviation is the name. I've done this. My family has an heirloom tomato, which my father dubbed "Tomato Rocky." I always labeled it "Rocky," when packaging the seed. So guess what everyone in the world, except me and my family call this tomato? Rocky!
By the way, the professor married to Sue Clutter was named Ron Clutter, Dr. Ronald Clutter. I believe he taught in the college (Grace College). Sue was the gardener in the family, though he was quite proud of her and of this bean, which they were maintaining. They lived, for a spell, in Texas. After that, everywhere they moved to, they would plant Blue Bonnets.
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Post by hmoosek on Jan 23, 2018 20:45:47 GMT -6
Annette and I both emailed Victory and got the same answer. They told us to join the request list and if the received enough "requests" to make it worth while, they would grow it out and list it for sale. I'm afraid the situation is bleak, but hope remains
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Post by john on Jan 26, 2018 17:03:12 GMT -6
hmoosek I am not sure what your original post was about, but in my opinion it is better to post in the wrong spot than not at all.
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Post by glen on Jan 26, 2018 18:15:08 GMT -6
hmoosek is forgiven this time. He got a free pass from George.
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Post by macmex on Jan 29, 2018 8:23:51 GMT -6
HMOOSEK,
I noticed that Sandhill Preservation Center carries Black Jungle Lima, which came from Flintknapper. I send stuff to them about every year. So, this seed probably came from Flintknapper to me, to Sandhill Preservation Center.
Sandhill Preservation Beans
For those who don't know, Black Jungle has an interesting history. A friend of Flintknapper picked some seed at the Fruit & Spice Park, in Homestead, Florida, back before Hurricane Andrew (1992). He gave seed to Flintknapper, who has grown them ever since. After the hurricane, the park was rebuilt. The fellow went back and offered them some seed, but they claimed they had never grown such a bean.
Black Jungle is a non day length sensitive pole lima with medium size black seed. It has grown well for me in Tahlequah and should do well over most of the USA. I bet it would grow well in Panama too.
Here's a link to a thread in the Houz Bean & Legumes Forum, in which Flintknapper and others discuss this bean.
Beans & Legumes/ Black Jungle
Limas are a distinct species of bean. They don't cross with other beans. They, however, are quite prone to crossing with other limas. So, in order to preserve purity, it's necessary to give them isolation of at least a couple hundred feet, which is why I don't grow more than one, or very rarely, two in in any given year.
I have had four or five limas over the years. One, which I truly loved, was called Flossie Powell. I lost it shortly after moving to Oklahoma in 2005. I've put a priority on Calico WIllow Leaf, which is also now carried by Sandhill Preservation Center. I've had Calico Willow Leaf since the mid 80s.
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Post by hmoosek on Jan 29, 2018 19:43:57 GMT -6
macmexHarry gave me seeds of BJBB last year. He also gave me a long bean that has been grown by a family in South Texas for over 80 years. I grew it last year and saved a few seed. If I had given it support, it would have really grown well. I will grow it again this year and hopefully be able to save a pint or so of beans. I don't remember what he called it, I need to email him and ask.
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Post by macmex on Jan 29, 2018 20:34:40 GMT -6
Yes, get all the info you can: name, names of source people, anecdotal history, etc. That's what really makes an heirloom.
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Post by aftermidnight on Mar 20, 2018 21:38:33 GMT -6
I contacted Keith and heard back, he still has some older seed of Ralph's, his originally came from a Tom Galucci in Connecticut. Keith is going to send me a few, hopefully they'll germinate and grow, if so I'll share them around. I'll be able to compare the seed itself side by side to Ralph's Italian Heirloom but that's about all. They may or may not be the same bean.
Annette
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