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Post by macmex on Nov 6, 2021 12:05:45 GMT -6
We've enjoyed a couple of messes of this bean, this year and haven't had any tough podded ones turn up. I'm starting to harvest seed now. This seed is F6 generation from the original cross. I'm encouraged. Can't wait to see if we get consistency in the 2022 planting.
Here's a picture of some of this year's seed.
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Post by hmoosek on Nov 6, 2021 14:56:43 GMT -6
I’m excited for you George! This is just awesome!
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Post by Tucson Grower on Nov 7, 2021 19:05:16 GMT -6
Fascinating, I love stories of plant breeding and selection. macmex, thank you for taking the time to do this, bean variety development, and for sharing the story. I await future details in this wonderful saga.
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Post by macmex on Nov 12, 2021 8:35:28 GMT -6
We should have a solid freeze tonight. I've been gleaning and taking pictures as able. Here are a few more observations on this selection. I did three plantings of this seed: 6/11, 6/23 and 8/19. I believe I took some seed from a different batch of seed than the others, on 8/19. That may have been a different selection from 2020. At any rate those plants are producing well but have very different pod structure.
They're longer, with more seeds to the pod. The seed tends to be smaller, a trait I've seen predominate in many of the variants from this cross. Thankfully, the pods are quite tender this year. Last year some of the pods with this appearance showed some toughness at a more advanced stage of maturity. I've been aiming for a true tender podded (full bean) true to the Appalachian tradition. I also prefer larger, fatter seed.
I'm gratified that the majority of this year's plants are showing more of a fat, knobby podded form with larger seeds. In 2022 I will only plant large fat seeds from 2021. Sometimes a seed is smaller or more slender because of it's position in the pod or from drying down early (end of season), but sometimes it's a genetic thing. I'm aiming for FAT pods and large seed. I think we'll obtain that, and that consistently, in 2022. Then I will name this bean.
This is what I want.
In 2022 I think I might start another experiment, selecting from F2 seed of a bean cross, Last year I discovered a cross between Tennessee Cutshort and Cherokee Striped Cornhill. That seed had been produced in 2008 and I inadvertently sent some of that cross to Rick Back in 2009, when I sent him seed of Cherokee Striped Cornhill. He kept that packet at room temperature until 2020, when, learning that I was trying to get started again with Cherokee Striped Cornhill, he sent my packet back to me. The only two seeds to germinate from that packet were the product of this cross. You can see the seed on the second page of the Reviving Old Seed/ Cherokee Striped Cornhill Thread. I have this seed in the freezer. There's no telling what will surface in the F3 growout, but I'm hopeful, as this is an even better match if one wants to come up with a new tender podded selection. Both parents are tender podded. So, I think I'll get started.
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Post by macmex on Nov 12, 2021 12:02:43 GMT -6
Here's one more picture of the fat podded selection. Kind of reminds me of Spangler, which is also a very good bean.
I have distinctive tastes when it comes to beans. But since I'm doing the selection, I can go for "ugly and delicious" if I want to!
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Post by hmoosek on Nov 12, 2021 12:26:33 GMT -6
Ugly & Delicious! I like that!
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Post by hmoosek on Jun 26, 2022 17:55:58 GMT -6
macmex Hey George, any updates? The smooth podded beans you show on your first post are really nice.
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Post by macmex on Jun 27, 2022 5:24:19 GMT -6
I planted 5 poles of F6 generation seed on May 14 this year. They're climbing and should be flowering soon. Wish I'd had time to plant more. I hope to yet.
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Post by macmex on Jul 13, 2023 6:12:59 GMT -6
Update: On June 19, 2023 I planted 15 seeds of F7 seed on a cattle panel behind our tool shed. I need to get a picture for here but most of the plants are starting to climb now. No flowers yet but they are climbing.
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